Is this something current? Cover me with the Precious Blood of Your Divine Son. It doesn't leave you in the doldrums. Your discernment needs to focus on what your bishop is doingor more to the pointnot doing. Sin is to use our free will to violate what God wants. It is nice to know that you are still reading my posts even though you are unable to engage me. Maureen Sweeney - Holy Love Ministries - EPHESIANS-511.NET- A Roman The Devil Cannot Condemn You: How to Kill Accusations with Conviction Our prayers, in Holy Love and united, have changed the course of this nation and eventually the world, which was heading towards a damnation. Thomas T. is my father. The same Faith that is delineated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church is the same Faith that is being taught at Holy Love Ministries. There is a saying that I think applies to your situation and please know it saddens me to say this, but say it I will: Never argue with an idiot. Wish my parish would be so eager to do this. You choose to twist and squirm and find excuses so theres no point in continuing this with you. In the Summa, Aquinas explains that If the Faith is endangered a subject ought to rebuke his prelateeven publicly. Then the issue was handed over to the Vatican itself. Amen. I just read in the Summa Theologica that disobedience is right when a church authority is teaching heresy. Lennon opens up with a note on his responsibility as the Ordinary of the place. Thanks for the suggestion. You want transparency? Refuse to gossip or speak negatively about anyone, ever (Ephesians 4:29). The problem, however, comes later when/if the predictions fail (like Conyers and so many others), the church disapproves of the messages and gatherings, the visionaries disregard the church, lawsuits come forth (like, again, Conyers, between Our Loving Mother whatever and Nancy Fowler), etc. We are sorry that the bishop has taken this position. Thank you so much. They were also there in Christs day. Menu and widgets. I have come to ask you some questions to help you to think like citizens of Heaven, not of earth..My brothers and sisters, you must not place OFFICE and AUTHORITY and TITLE above the TRUTH., I, your Eternal Father, call you here. He will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.. But, alas, Im not a writer. Welcome. Holy Church HAS spoken. And obviously, I am no way biased against mystics and visionariesin fact the entire Mystics of the Church website is in support of them. Yes (not likely, but I am speaking theoretically here.) At Holy Love Ministries the lay faithful have an opportunity to learn the depth mystical theology of Catholicism in all its rich and pristine clarity,as well as in its orthodox consistency, but Bishop Lennon expects obedience simple because he is the bishop. Using St. Joan of Arc as an example would be an arguing point if we were discussing Maureen Sweeney-Kyle, the supposed visionary, but were not talking about her. When bishops fail in their teachings and in safeguarding the fullness of the Faith, they are not to be obeyed so that one may be faithful to the Church. "No. In addition, there are a number of followers in the area where I live who were irritated by my observations. The words were cleverly chosen. Been there. Doing so is not leading souls away from salvation, as some suggested. Furthermore, my point was that YOU ARE INCORRECT about the Bayside events. Kind of frightening. The more simple and single-hearted the soul is, the more I revel in him.". There is no meaning here that we are to condone sin. The devil has the ability to deceivewith cleverly-disguised religious apparitions, so the Catholic Church carefully evaluates such sites for discrepancies that conflict withScripture and Tradition. I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. I had not used the word condemnedincorrectly, butthe term is an older one and not in common current theologicaluse. The site has been deemed to be not of supernatural origin and the faithful have been admonished to not visit the site, as well as all clerics forbidden to visit or to administer any and all sacraments at this site. Look at the history of apparitions. The treasure of Holy Love Ministries is that it is teaching the fullness of the Catholic Faith, and this is in opposition to what continues to happenor rather not happenin most Catholic dioceses of the United States. That doesnt work with me. God chose 12 men as disciples later to become priests. You see, you just do not get it. I suspect they may be having trouble verifying it as well, hence the delay. Can you repost the link? Since he cannot FORBID Catholics from going there, he ADMONISHES them not to go. Yur reply is a good example of a non sequitor. Blessed and Merry Christmas and a Blessed and Happy New Year to you and yours! Stop judging it and mocking it with your prideful comments. The apparitions/visions to Maureen have been ongoing almost daily for 25+ years. The ministry changed locations and names several times and Sweeney-Kyle even changed husbands, divorcing and then remarrying two years later. Holy Love Messages and Prophecies - Jesus & Maria Site I would say this smacks of resistance to the truth, for those messages all deal with the deep fundamental truths of Catholic mystical theology. The bishop is obligated to teach what exactly is wrong at Holy Love Ministries, and he does not because he cannot. Or Jesus and Mary incessantly talk about U.S. politics, politicians, who to vote for, applauding various election outcomes. This is basic Canon Law. Dear Tess: Bishop Lennon is under investigation? Did I name him in my question to you? It behooves us all to remember that Joan of Arc, now Saint Joan, was condemned by the bishops to eternal flames for believing in a false appartition. Just come here out of love. At Holy Love Ministries, it is reported that Jesus sometimes comes with Mary during her apparitions. Then came a time of upheaval. I do not know where you are getting your theological understandings from, LizEst, but they are all mixed up. It is very sad to see an article that is truly going to misdirect souls that could be saved. I take my hat off to you! The decree uses the word warning becasue that it what it isa warning not a formal command to obey. I am spreading the Rosary of the Unborn around the country because I believe in it. If you look at the fruits of it in my family, the fruits from years of following the messages ended in a divorce, an absentee father, and myself and mom suffering from PTSD from the emotional and psychological abuse. Then came a time of upheaval. The Bishop has a right, a duty in fact, to oversee anything Catholic within his diocese. All are Welcome at Maranatha Spring and Shrine - Home of Holy Love Ministries located at 37137 Butternut Ridge Rd, North Ridgeville, Ohio 44039, USA. Who gave you this talking point? The Bishops role is to guide his sheep ~ us. @LizEst:disqus, if you would like, please feel free to E-mail me privately. You and those who are bashing the messages of HLM are not exhibiting to me common sense at all. I am not digging for dirt. You do so as well.. The Lord indeed is my savior; I am confident and unafraid. Just wait an you will see, No one is denying their right to follow their conscience. Those at Holy Love Ministries have openly rejected it. Though Im not overly fond of such, I do find the work of research and fact checking beneficial to building apologetical muscle. I admire your fortitude! I have asked you to SPECIFICALLY point at least one error in HLM teachings. I do not speak for the sake of speaking but to instruct and guide., If you choose not to listen, the future does not bode well for your country or for you yourselves. The full teachings of the our beautiful Faith are so often NOT being taught at all. In your posting of messages from HLM I answered you point by point. It brings an atmosphere that says, Trust God. Excellent points Elizabeth. I will pray for you, my dear. Unfortunately, those have cultish devotion to things like HLM tend to brook no logic. Heres one from St. Catherine of Sienna on Nov. 18, 2009: Do not be fooled to believe you are not allowed to come. Our Lord and His Mother lead us into the Church, not away. He has a way with His Church. Disorder will spread everywhere and many consecrated will walk like the blind leading the blind. So he abandoned the responsibilities of his vocation, fatherhood, and took on these other responsibilities. Only one person of the Trinity has a human nature, which gives Him an actual heart. Do you lack the intellectual honesty or courage to allow a free debate or are you just an activist journalist pushing an agenda? You will be looking for a canon law to cover the situation. HLM twisted my fathers mind and made him feel powerful and worthy. To commit Mortal sin, we enumerated those 3 things has to be present. Jesus told us that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church and he promised to send the Paraclete to keep the Church free from error. I call upon every poster (and future ones as well) to ignore 3221. What she meant was, any action, however small, united with Jesus and offered to His Father, has redemptive value. Thank you for this article on Holy Love. Lord have mercy. However, my experience there (quite unexpected) threw me into 19 years of anxiety, stress, and doubt. At that point, Holy Love Ministries took an ecumenical approach. As for arguing about it, from what Im reading here, I dont think it would make any dent whatsoever, no matter how orthodox, learned, or convincing the argument. That should give you a clue that you are on the wrong path. Bishops DO OWE the faithful an explanation for what they say and do. Eternal rest grant unto them, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon them. This morning I was reading about the first Marian apparition in the U.S. approved by the Church. Great spiritual blindness has struck many consecrated and the confusion will be great in the House of God. With me were my husband, four young boys, and three other families who were part of our family prayer group. She has acted within canon law. FORBIDDEN to go to HOLY LOVE MINISTRYs to receive the many Blessings and Graces themselves? This humanistic heresy bears no resemblance to the purity of the true Faith that is our patrimony as Catholics. These are the last words I will address to you. We have no affiliation with the Diocese of Cleveland. If we do not cooperate with Gods Will through free will choice, we sin. There are some seventy references to conscience in the Catechism and none of them affirm the primacy of the conscience, but repeatedly state that an authentic conscience is one that has been submitted to God, to the Gospel, and to the truth. The words were cleverly chosen. God answers prayers. The implication arouses a persecution motif and the commensurate emotions that go along with the motif. I understand this sort of devotion although Im much more cautious these days. I hold in my hand an official, signed and sealed copy of the Bayside documentone that I personally obtained straight from the Diocesan archivist. Thank youand God bless you and yours Elizabeth, and all readers here, with a Blessed Advent and Christmas season, as well. I do believe the current administration is a judgment of sorts on us. Like any mother, I long to tend to the needs of My children. It concerns me in a personal way because I know several friends who are what Id call serious Catholics, but are seriously attached to this place, almost in a cult-like fashion. Holy Love Ministry | Facebook Not once did she mention the messages. Whew! Or, disappointment leads them to reject Church authority thinking that they are right and the Church is wrong. If you would actually read the messages your opinions would be more informed. daily Mass, rosary, weekly adoration and love of all is so frowned apron. For that, I am very grateful. Jesus and Mary would never, ever, ever, EVER counsel someone to be disobedient to the legitimate Church authority. You will not be able to do so.The charism of HLM is the preservation of the true Faith. This is what HLM has to do with Medjugorie. He provides a link to the following story that you might find interesting: http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/blessed-other/Content?oid=1472603. This in an age when the authentic doctrine of the Catholic Church is slowly dying out, when two generations of Catholics have been deprived of the true doctrine and knowledge that is the Revelation of the Word of God, our Savior Jesus Christ. My point was that 3221 is throwing things out as fact, without confirming and verifying such. It takes awhile to digest such a fraud. You obviously havent read the messages. Does he support homosexual groups? In all the various approved apparitions throughout the centuries, does the Blessed Mother or Jesus talk of worldly events, the economy, politicians and the U.S. economy? I mention no names. 2021 Holy Love Messages she was betrayed by one of her own. Thanks Glenn. Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven (Matt. Everything I knew about him seemed to be the real deal. Yet, as an ecumenical ministry it found time and space in many of its printed materials to rail against the Church. In fact I know him, Fr. On 11 November 2009, Bishop Richard Lennon published a Letter to the clergy and laity of his Diocese, introducing a Decree, which declares that the Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary is not an approved association of the Christian Faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland. in public administration and worked in both those fields before staying home to work as a freelance writer. Regarding Bayside: To say that there is nothing credible at Bayside means there is nothing credible at Bayside. Stay away so you not fall into a deep personal devotion and love for Blessed Mother and and the Sacred Heart of Jesus. I have asked you to give me examples of heresy in HLM but you ignore that and harp on obedience to the bishop. Period. 5 You pray for any religious leader who does not speak out. Holy Love messages do not even have the facts about human anatomy correct. I believe Fr. He told me when our country , church and priests were in trouble,the priests from the USA came and helped us. PDF Catholi Diocese V' OFFICE OF THE BISHOP Blind obedience is for slaves not for thinking people. I just looked up in Aquinas Summa Theologica about obedience to bishops. This was an administrative action, which does not take away from his authority (and his mission to preach, teach and sanctify) to issue a pronouncement on the authenticity of visions/apparitions. You are here: Home Featured Apparitions at Holy Love Ministries Revisited. And I agree that the Church, Christ Himself, never changes. In addition, there are a number of followers in the area where I live who were irritated by my observations. At Holy Love Ministries the faithful have an opportunity to learn the true Faith in all its fullness and richness. the Church is wise enough to allow things to exist unless they prove heterodox. NO legitimate apparition in the history of the Catholic Church has EVER told/ordered/directed someone to go outside of the authority of the Church in order to make itself known. Needless to say, he backed down.). asks von Hildebrand. July 2019: You will be persecuted because of your faith. He is not bound by Church law or by your unimaginative assessment of what He would do. We can either OPEN the door (cooperate with grace) or CLOSE the door( choose to REJECT the grace flowing THROUGH Marys Heart. The question now is how will the many followers respond to the Bishops decree? Elizabeth thinks HLM is a Church, thereby giving evidence of her complete ignorance of the interior life of grace. I am fighting for my true Faith of which the bishops of this country are trying to rob me. Its not wrong to go to a site where purported apparitions are occurring. My strength and my courage is the Lord, and he has been my savior. (Isaiah 12:2). _________________________, My first article (originally published 11/6/2006): A Vision for Apparitions. It all seems very clear to me. Stop the scoffing and mocking. I just find it so sad that this place is set up right beside a genuine Apparition Site here In Ireland. @LizEst I could not go on the link to join the book club it doesnt work. No,Harry, I do not need to dig for dirt, the dirt is obvious for all to see. Im officially done (I think) discussing this with 3221. But it does not surprise me when you look back in history. I look only into the heart. Yes. You admitted you do not know where Lennon stands on those issues and yet you insinuate he is a corrupt bishop and thus HLM has the right to get out of his jurisdiction. the use of the word Cross here is meant to convey that one must consecrateset ones self apart for- entering into the sufferings of ones life with generous acceptance of Gods Will. Medjugorie followers did the same with Bishop Zanic there. in social work and M.A. One woman credited her fathers conversion from a Sunday church grumbler to attending Mass and saying the rosary daily even two years after his visit to the site. The silence they are effecting when they should proclaim loudly the teachings of the Church speaks clearly of the lack of support fo the Holy Father and his magisterium. If there was initial skepticism and resistance, God ultimately overcame it. Such is the case with Holy Love. Such ignorance and errors are not always free of guilt [CCC 1801].. This is according to St. Thomas Aquinas. Thanks Kevin. Take what I said in all my responses to your points and show them to any theologically sound priest and you will find out that it all is clear Catholic doctrine. One further question: Are you inferring that Bishop Lennon is a heretic? May Our Good God Bless All Those Who Read This and may their eyes and minds be opened. God bless you. Heres the site: http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/home/. Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven (Matt. Sweeney-Kyles logic of ecumenical ministry does not hold water when weighed against Church doctrine and law. and let us pray for all those affected by the shooting in Connecticut today. The past prayers and experiences of Holy Love followers were very real. Thought you would like to know. Without free will there would be no sin. The politics of Clevelands diocese is not my concern. I am wondering whether bishop Lennon is an orthodox bishop or not. Are you aware that sometimes the local Ordinary does not publicize reasons for his condemnation of a case because they are personal or private in nature? Most of the messages are even similar to Medjugorje. oh yea, shes spent thousands of dollars flying up there and one of her friends said:why doesnt God pick me to be the visionary? what is the fruit of this ministry? Especially after the Bishop came out strongly with his condemnation, there were numerous messages both from the Blessed Mother AND Jesus explaining to us dear children that the Bishop is wrong and that we all must continue to come to this holy site and words to that effect. 2 human hearts = 8 possible chambers. The Holy Love messages, as well as, the messages from Medjugorje helps us a lot. Thats what were all talking about here. A condemnation would be spelled out as a condemnation. What? However, once the Church has condemned a site and declared it off limits to clergy and laity, its a different ball game. This Page runs by volunteer MSHLs in order to spread the messages from the Heaven that given to a vi Holy Love Ministry | North Ridgeville OH The devil can quote Scripture and encourage people to pray as it suits his larger purpose. Mother Teresa and her sisters refused to sit after they had received the Holy Eucharist when their bishop specifically reprimanded them and told them to do so. Obedience. Im glad the Vatican is taking an active role. Just knowing or reading these Commandments is not enough - you must internalize them and all they dictate in their simplicity.